Looks to me like this is a good confirmation: https://twitter.com/as3lang/status/713449286969765888
yes off course, well… in fact I had different choices
but did you read his post ?
I put in bold what I think is the problematic attitude
which I understood as “shut up, be happy I give you an answer”
so I contemplated the different options to either
educate by explaining how the whole purpose of a forum was to read other ppl answer and write back to them
give a warning about such jerk answers
ban/mute the user for an amount of time
I decided a little prank would be educational
and now the user is all over the place posting off topics stuff on how I’m an irresponsible child
I mean, I’m nice, patient and all but I do think this forum should be a relaxing place and not a confrontational place.
I’m not too sure what is the problem of @dogofpavlov but so far his attitude is not helping.
yes and I guess you do read people answers now right ?
I guess, lesson learned
So let me get this straight… you’re just making up what you assume I mean?
Ok then watch… I can do it too:
Did you read what I wrote to @CPS comment above ?
same apply to you
I put in bold what I think is the problematic attitude which I understood as “you missed my above comment so you must be dumb”
Do you really not understand the situation of someone quickly browsing a forum, seeing something they think can help, spending 20 seconds doing so, and then continuing back to work? ALL i was saying is that I didn’t have the time to do so, you can take offensively if you like. Most people would rather SOME help than NO help.
REGARDLESS, you are not only a member of this community but the creator and moderator… you should be above resorting to these kinds of comebacks/actions. You should be setting an example of how to act, not claiming people are having a relationship with a sheep and publicly spreading it on the official twitter and forums. In no way shape or form did I ever attack you personally.
And you’re upset I’m responding this way? how exactly did you think I would respond to being publicly mocked? this kind of behavior is POISON to communities like this.
You need to get over yourself, fess up and admit you were wrong.
I’m not sure what your problem is, but I’m not the only one who thinks this way.
Also… I never posted in any forum that you are an irresponsible child… that was a personal message sent to YOU only.
you did on this very same forum
Ok cool, you caught me… throughout all this I did forget I posted that there during my tantrum of discovering I’m being called a sheep lover all over the community I depend on to live and pay my bills. I apologize I shouldn’t have done that. SEE how easy that is?
you are assuming too much and take yourself way too seriously
It’s not like I put a billboard out there with a photoshopped photo of you and a dog humping your leg.
I mean, really, since I edited your post and made a little prank, you have never been so active on this forum.
Well… you are not talking about ActionScript 3 or the Flash Platform, but I would say it’s a start, now you do read the answers, I say there is progress.
Now, making all that about being a personal attack, which is what you do with this topic, it’s not very constructive.
And sure as the admin of the forum I have full power, I can edit any of your posts, I can delete them too, I can mute you, ban you, kick you out and a lot of negative things like that.
I’m not a big fan of educating people trough fear, I may be a dictator but I’m a benevolent dictator.
I’m also french and I have been educated with this idea of free speech and I’m very much against censoring people.
Technically you can come to this forum, insult me all day long and i will not delete a single post, not because I like it but because I do believe by having a conversation some good educational thing can come out of it.
If I were to state a Code of Conduct for this forum it would be very simple and straightforward: “Everyone is welcome. period.”
And in your case I could add “and even dogs”, I would not want to have your loved one feeling excluded
All that said, including everyone does not mean you are more special than anyone else.
Here you have created what I call a disruptive post, you want people to take sides, you want a battle, and you say it yourself
So, basically you are not, even for 1 second, thinking you may have been wrong.
I don’t know, maybe being dismissive about how ppl spend their time, feeling that because you are at work your time is more valuable than others, and they should just be happy that you, my good sir, took upon your so precious time to provide us, poor peasant, the blessing of an answer.
Look kid, I hate to break it to you that way, but you are not a special snowflake, on this forum here how it works: the more time you spend writing/answering/liking/etc. or being active within the community, the more you gain a level of trust and the more trust you have the more things you can do.
I’m not the one deciding that level of trust but your participation in the community is, have a good fair activity and you will naturally gain more trust, to the point you will even be able to edit your own post and even edit others post.
What you took as a move to “soil your good name in the mud” is merely a practical joke, a prank and I did it for educative purpose.
Here a little story.
Many years ago when I was working for some big company, our manager was adamant to explain to new recruits that we should be security conscious and simply leaving our desk to get a coffee without locking the computer was a security risk.
It’s not something people do naturally or automatically, you move away from your desk and you just lock your screen, it is the 101 of basic security, if you don’t anyone can take control of your computer.
Some people have a hard time understanding “why”, after all we are all employees of the same company, we should trust each others, it is a waste of time to take half a second to lock your screen when you leave your desk. Nothing bad or wrong can happen from that. And so they decide to ignore wholeheartedly the kindly advice about securing your machine when you are not around.
And then one day, they leave their desk, don’t lock their screen and go get a coffee and have a good 15mn talk with other employees at the coffee machine.
Exactly at the same moment, the manager notice it, go on their computer, fire up the email and write a loving story on how they love sheep and send it to the whole company, about 200 people.
So, 15mn later, the employee come back to his/her desk and have a massive amount of tongue-in-cheek answers about how people are glad he or she loves sheep, and yeah everyone in the company is making fun of him or her.
That’s a practical joke. It’s here to teach people not to humiliate them.
After that I can guarantee you never ever again such employee would forgot to lock down their computer. they will take security seriously.
That’s the educational power of a practical joke.
Now you can act all offended about it, threaten to shame this forum., rally people to your cause about how your good name have been soiled by a childish admin.
Or you can learn your lesson and avoid knee-jerk answers in the future.
under this message I will post the private messages discussion as I got nothing to hide
Yo what exactly is your problem? That bit you edited on my post about having my dog hump my leg? I’ll give you a chance to respond before I shame this forum if you really did this
I have no problem at all but I seriously advise you to be less of a jerk in your answers because we want to be a nice and welcoming community and stuff like that.
You see, before you were not bothering reading the answers, now we got that problem solved .
are you seriously this childish? you seriously still didn’t undrestand my point? Keep digging your hole
you seem offended and do not realise how offensive you were
but you have to admit, I got you to read people answers now
Look, you are overreacting to a prank and now you are making that very personal by attacking me on this very same forum where I’m the admin
how do you think it gonna end ?
Again, relax a bit and don’t take yourself too seriously
of course I’m offended you publically announced the as3 community claiming I’m in a relationship with animals. What kind of personal issues are you going through to resort to kind of backlash.
Never once did I say i always respond on forums in that way, you saw 1 simple example of me posting a link and assume I always do that? of course I read forums, just didnt this time… you changed nothing.
Look you need to understand you FUCKED UP, and are being called out for it. I’ve already been messaging from both Jeff and Josh from the starling forums and they both agree your behavior is incorrect.
You the admin of a forum and believe you can just mock people and have that not tie into your admin personality? Your the one with your name all over this forum, how do YOU think it’s gonna end?
I’ll give you a chance to respond before I shame this forum if you really did this
that’s a threat
Keep digging your hole
that’s another threat
you publically announced the as3 community claiming I’m in a relationship with animals.
that’s hilarious because you’re taking all that so 1st degree
What kind of personal issues are you going through to resort to kind of backlash.
now you’re implying I got some kind of emotional or mental problem?
Look you need to understand you FUCKED UP, and are being called out for it
use of capitals == yelling
I’ve already been messaging from both Jeff and Josh from the starling forums and they both agree your behavior is incorrect.
rallying ppl to battle
how do YOU think it’s gonna end?
I will not be intimidated or impressed by such threats
I’m so disappointed right now, Zwetan. Editing someone’s post to alter what they said is extremely unprofessional. Even worse, it goes completely against the idea of this forum being a “safe haven” for ActionScript developers. How is anyone supposed to feel safe when the administrator has a history of inserting inappropriate comments into the posts of members? I was so excited to see this forum bring the community closer together, but I can no longer, in good conscience, contribute here anymore.
I explains it all above, not sure if you read it all.
Now I do understand that @dogofpavlov came to you to reach some support as he mentioned
I’ve already been messaging from both Jeff and Josh from the starling forums and they both agree your behavior is incorrect.
I will not take sides on personal attack and battle
Again, people should learn to take a joke, there is nothing unprofessional about that.
This forum have nothing to sell, it is not a place of business, it is a community.
Everyone is free to say whatever they want, to come and go as they please.
You may not agree and that’s totally fine, everything is posted here, all is transparent, people will form their own opinion for themselves.
For all the people taking all this so seriously, being disappointed and having such a good conscience that they can not recognize negative behaviour, threats and other abuse, I highly advise them to go out and take a walk with their lovely animals and give them a good hug or more if affinity.
I read the entire thread before I posted. Indeed, dogofpavlov and I had a private conversation, but I am the one who initiated contact. He never asked me for my support.
sigh… fine ok here we go.
I’ve never been so active on this forum because I’ve never been mocked by a community leader on a forum before. You for some reason keep trying to make the point of “now that I read the answer” I’ve made progress. I know how forums work and am active in many of them… you keep acting like that 1 post I made defines everyone I’ve ever done… it doesn’t.
You don’t get to call someone out for feeling personally attacked and have a problem with it, when you’re the reason they feel personally attacked. Cause and Effect.
It’s so easy to just take something someone said wrong, as you never know what kind of mindset or personal issues someone is going through when they read it. It’s the damn internet happens everyday.
Cool I’m french too?
Yes I 100% came to this forum today with the intent of SHOWING everyone what you did, because I felt embarrassed and wronged by what you said. Since when did someone standing up for themselves become the wrong thing to do? Of course I created a disruptive post… but i only did so because you FIRST created another disruptive post… again Cause and Effect. I did not come here though with the idea of “creating” a battle in which people take sides… I 100% expected you to simply say “OK yeah I took it too far, and I apologize” and we’d be done… but no you apparently “cant be wrong” and have taken this extremly personal.
Ok I’ll admit I was wrong for you interpreting what I said as mean… It was not intended to be that way, and I’m sorry that you recieved that way. It’s hilarious to me that I’m sitting here typing an apology when in no shape or form have you remotely indicated you are sorry after the 5-6 replies I’ve seen…but I’ll be the bigger man.
Look Dad, again I know how communities work and I am active as much as I can. In fact, I am about 2000% more active than you on the starling forum (but this matters absolutely none). The level of trust someone recieves should NEVER be according to how active they are on a forum. How about trust someone until they give you a reason otherwise?
How can you even begin to talk about how behavior and how appearance can affect someone in a community like this, when your the one making deflammatory statements.
Did you seriously just claim you made this “practical joke” for educational purposes? It seems like you’re ready to say anything to get out of this.
Your little story is nice, and I 100% agree and have done that exact scenario with some of the people I work with… THe key difference here is… “I work with” meaning people who I know and see ona daily basis enough to establish a humor level that when making an advance they don’t take it the wrong way. I do NOT know you and have no desire to, so unless you know a person, its probably a good idea to not just assume your “prank” will not be offensive. Another difference here is that your email you fire off to 200 people gets to stay in their inbox, not publicly publish on the internet forever.
Again I’ll reiterate, regardless of everything being said here. YOU should be the one setting the example of how to act on a forum. It’s funny to me you posted the FAQ… I’d like to remind you of a few details (that I can’t believe you wrote):
Name-calling. Ad hominem attacks. **Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.** Knee-jerk contradiction.
I don’t see how you can get all offended at the “threats” you claim and then make a statement so absent of that logic by saying I’m taking that so 1st degree.
The use of capital can always be interpretted as yelling, AS WELL AS reiteration of a missed point. no threat?
Rallying people to battle? I did not reach out to Josh or Jeff, in fact they REACH OUT to me… as they recognized your wrong doing and felt bad for me.
Ok, you want to do this like that ? no problem I will be happy to oblige
that 1 post was not 1 random and misunderstood statement, there were many different thing, I didn’t jump at your throat and aggressed you by asking to read the comment I made earlier with another user @CPS.
But no, you took it so bad because apparently you are so special that just saying to you “same apply to you” was me going out of my way to attack you apparently.
Here what I asked “providing a link is nice, but you have to give more context”, it was legitimate, it was on topic and it was not only about you because I also asked the same from another user who did not got all angry about it.
And that’s where you came with the knee-jerk comments, oh you didn’t have the time to read? but you did have the time to comment even more, and did you comment about the topic? nah, let;s not do that, let’s tell the admin that your time is so much more valuable than he should just be happy you were good enough to answer.
so when you said something like that
Should I next time just refrain from helping and contributing since it doesn’t meet your standard?
that was not a knee-jerk comment, that was not mocking ? right ?
yeah sure … keep telling you that
except you were the one starting the attacks
when I asked you to provide a bit more than just a link I ask you to provide context and content, I did not assume anything, I asked that not as a personal attack but for the sake of the community: context and content is better than just a link, otherwise we can close this forum and replace it by “go search on google you dumb fuck”.
You decided to feel attacked by a routine forum comment, that’s on you not me.
yeah you are so right with that, that’s my mindset, I’m evil and I build all this forum just for unloading by wrath on a poor innocent user like you, that was my goal from the get go.
As you mention it, it must something of a all the “personal issue [I’m] going through” I probably must be so stressed or so in distress and so riddled with personal rage, that I just don’t know anymore what the fuck I’m saying… right ?
I must be some kind of mental patient to have dared to talk back to you.
Do you plan to make this nice little scenario as a movie later?
no, you overreacted.
Sure I edited your comment and mentioned a love affair with a dog and sheep, but I don’t think anyone in his right mind could interpret that as anything else than a joke or a prank.
Being offended by that means you took it literally as if I was saying you have some sex intercourse with animals, and I never said that, you interpreted it like that.
But it’s not really that, you insisting so much on the words “butt hurt” that I may have inadvertently pushed the wrong buttons with my little prank.
I mean, you are not here generating all this disturbance for the good of the community, no, you want to show everyone how this community is wrong and should probably be closed, because how dare have I to have wronged you.
You’re just defending your good name against dogs and sheep.
That’s the whole purpose of this topic, to show others how they should left this community because well… as you said it I must have some kind of personal issue.
Some people can not accept to be wrong. Some are even so paranoid about it that they threaten a lot “do this or else …”.
The thing is I don’t give a flying fuck about it.
You are the one taking it all so personal you feel you have to attack me now.
If you want, I don’t care.
Get a life, learn to take a joke.
If it can make you feel better about yourself do what you gotta do.
I’m telling you again that you are blowing all this out of proportion, but I guess at that point the message is really not passing trough.
Comparing who is more active on whatever forum is like measuring dicks, I don’t do that.
For the level of trust, It’s not how this forum works.
Managing a forum take time, you have to fight the spammer, the troll, do the police on bad behaviour, etc.
The trust level is part of the discourse system, I’m not gonna change it because you disagree.
wow defamatory, what’s next? you’re sending the lawyers ?
I accuse thy man to have insinuated I had sex intercourse with a sheep…
Yes and I even gave a real life example where I encountered that practical joke, and also because of that, I do know that at least 200 people were not offended by such a joke.
I would have took me less time to delete your post and you as a user and “be done with it”, but no, I took the time to write about dogs and sheep, and I’m personally offended you don’t recognize the effort I put into it … and I do all that for what?
Because I care.
Well to be honest I hesitated to post the thing on imgur, reddit, Instagram, etc…
|'m really proud of the text I wrote, I think I really nailed the feeling that one can have being dump by a sheep and the loneliness afterward, it took a lot of hard work, please don’t dismiss my efforts so easily.
You do realise you did all 4 of those before even before I wrote about the sheep right?
Anyway, if it’s not clear yet, the tone of this forum is to not take yourself too seriously, like the song says We’re All Gonna Die so chillax dude.
oh? they did not felt bad for the sheep?
such a shame
Wow dude… please stop. Everyone can see it… but for some reason you can’t. I’m done as it’s clear no getting through. Say anything else you want, you’ll get no more reply from me.